Oh look, a potential Pac-16 Schedule!
A part of me didn't want to create this post in part because it almost certainly is not what the conference presidents and commisioners will agree to in the end. I don't make claim to know anything about what the inside dealings of the conference is when it comes to scheduling a 16- team football schedule, but I can imagine, right?
With that said, there's a lot of talk out there about the use of the "pod" system for the conference, beneficial in terms of both travel and maintaining regional rivalries. As much as some members of the original Pac-8 would love to reconfigure the conference to have all eight of them in the same division, it is technically unfeasible. CU's president has already raised a fuss about East/West configurations that would keep Colorado from California, the Arizona schools probably wouldn't like being in a division with schools farther away than USC and UCLA are, and despite being in a conference with the California schools, Oklahoma would have its recruiting pipelines to California left untapped. Plus Larry Scott pretty much said that he would prefer a divisional plan that had schools visit every region of the conference as opposed to only occasionally every few years.
It's one thing to suggest a "pod" schedule in text. It's a whole other thing to visualize it. If there's one thing that Notre Dame-Stanford-USC scheduling issue fan post I made earlier in the year taught me, it's that people most realize how scheduling happens when the actually see it. While I didn't do as comprehensive (i.e. week by week) scheduling this time around, I did set up an Excel table that shows who plays who every year. Doing so, I think I solved a lot of the confusion that people had, including local and national writers, about how one goes about scheduling around a "pod" system.
- The conference is made to look similar to the NFL's AFC/NFC conferences with two divisions each (Northwest, California, Southwest, and Central).
- For the purposes of this experiment, each pod is referred to as a Division, the Northwest and California divisions form the Western Conference, the Southwest and Central divisions constitute the Eastern Conference, and the Pac-16 is referred to as the Pac-16 League.
- Every team plays the other three teams in their division every year.
- In order to accommodate several school's requests to visit EACH region in the conference, schools will play two schools from every division in the league, one home and one away. This means every school will miss two teams in its conference and four teams in the opposing conference every year, but will give the league a nine-game schedule for every school.
- If, for some reason, Texas, and by extension Texas Tech, does not join the Pac-16, then replace them with whatever two schools do end up out West.
- Some media outlets have reported that the possibility of East/West divisions won't happen and instead a conference championship will be based around the two best teams in the entire Pac-16. While I personally do not like that idea, and would settle for even the best two teams given that they're in different pods (as this prevents the inevitable OU vs. UT championship game), to allow for that, just take out the East/West monikers I've given for that possibility.
First, I created the 2012 schedule (or first year of the conference, whatever is more appropriate).


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You'll notice that all schools have either four or five league home games. The exception, of course, is the Red River Rivalry, which takes place in Dallas for the Texas State Fair, so when it says "OU @ UT", it's mostly just a designation as to who's the home team and who's the visiting team at the Cotton Bowl.
For 2013, the schedule changes slightly.

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For the season after the first year, the schedules alternate. If your school had four home league games, you now have five league games. In addition, the four teams that aren't in your conference but on your schedule are retained for the following year, keeping in line with a home-and-away mentality to the schedule. For your two in-conference foes, whatever two conference foes you didn't face in the year before you now face. For instance, Washington didn't face Stanford or UCLA in 2012. In 2013, it will face both those schools but miss Cal and USC.
What about 2014?

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In the third year of the conference, the schedules change dramatically. Whatever teams you played in the year prior, you play it's travel partner this season. This goes for both conference and cross-conference opponents. There's a nice quirk, though, to setting up the schedule this way. By the end of this season, you will have played all four teams from any given division and will have played a home-and-away with at least one of each pair of travel partners from across the league. For example, Washington plays Arizona and ASU at home in 2012 and 2014, but plays at Arizona in 2013. UT plays Wazzu and UW at home in 2013 and 2014, but travels to Pullman in 2012. Whatever team a given school does play, though, the alternating home/away scheduling continues with those schools with four home league games in 2013 given five league games in 2014.
Finally, the fourth year of the 16-team conference:

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This is the final year of the scheduling rotation. By the end of this season, every team will have played every team in the league home-and-away. In addition, the scheduling of alternating the number of league home games continues, ensuring a fair and equitable scheduling mentality when it comes to home and away games.
As you see, travel issues are minimized in this type of schedule. Schools in the Central division only travel to the Northwest division once a year. However, at the end of four years, all four Central schools will have visited all four Northwest schools and vice versa. The same type of relationship goes for every relationship between all four divisions.
Another thing that I made sure to do, given the historical records of the schools, no school other than the Central division schools will play both UT and OU in the same year. It also helps appease those fans who might be turned off by having to play both Texas Tech and Oklahoma State in the same year. This doesn't mean,for example, that USC fans will be spared a visit to Stillwater, but rather that they only need to visit Stillwater once every four years.
Does this please everyone? Probably not, especially Pac-8 fans. But those Pac-8 fans also have to remember that they didn't start playing all seven of the other Pac-8 members until 2006 when the conference went to a nine-game round robin schedule. USC didn't even play Wazzu for years, and when they did, they forced the game in Spokane as opposed to Pullman.
For the Mountain-Desert schools, it's depressing not playing both SoCal schools every year for them, but they do play two California schools every year and are assured of at least two visits to the West Coast every year, including a visit to California. Plus, they play both a NorCal and SoCal every year, with one at home and the other away.
As I said, this is only a theorized schedule meant to visually show who plays who in a 16-game pod-based conference. Will this be the way that a 16- team conference is set up? Probably not. But it's good to see what it is that everyone is talking about when they talk about the 3-2-2-2 pod schedule.
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Building the Dam
has something similar today as well, that I put together in my head yesterday during a long car ride and a few hours last night editing into a usable format.
http://www.buildingthedam.com/2011/9/18/2434561/pac-16-scheduling-divisions-the-flex-model#comments
There are, sadly, no pretty graphics, but it starts with the same basic pod model. However, this article has a 3-2-2-2 model; the Flex Model is a 3-4-1-1 where the "1"s are determined by the team standings, NFL style. It also incorporates a “Flex” final game which amounts to conference semifinals from the champions of the two pods as the final game of the regular season, and matches other opponents up as per the final standings.
Regulations, noobs and scheduling
Due to grade inflation I can only give you an A. Great effort. Putting it down on paper definitely helps.
As a mutt in school affiliation, part of me is (as someone said) “just happy to be in a BCS conference.’” There I have played nice.
The other side of me with indifference to the ‘tough titties’ talk, is that it would be nice to see my schools play each other more often than when Hailey’s comet comes around.
The pod system I believe solves that and …. should hopefully meets the needs and agendas of all the institutions.
Can we say a happy Pac-16 family? I wonder? Somebody out there probably has a gripe.
I think pods is the only thing that would work
The four-corner schools will block expansion otherwise. It’s also the only way to ensure all teams play each other home and home at least once every 4 years. For the PAC, more than any other conference, the 4 team pods are also very natural, with the Northwest schools, California schools, the four-corner schools, and the Red River schools (my idea for the pod names). The stumbling block may be the NCAA rule that requires a round robin within the divisions for a conference championship game, which your particular model doesn’t have. There are pod schedules that can meet that requirement, but the NCAA is so weak that the PAC could probably push a change through that allows for any kind of scheduling they want.
Yes there is that pesky NCAA rule keeping it from being done
might even have to go with just two divisions until a rule change can or does happen. I highly doubt the four-corner schools are the problem, as the NW would love an 8 team division. To have a pod system, they give up games in Cali to give to the other two pods. Of course the AZ, Utah and CU schools are the happiest, since the alternative is even worse.
As far as I can tell, the rule only prevents structural alignments rather than scheduling
We can have two divisions but just set up scheduling this way. The only problem might be division winner determination.
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by johnnycougar on Sep 19, 2011 10:46 AM PDT up reply actions
I like it, but
can we please not have Cal visiting the Colosseum every damn year ad infinitum?
Whoops!
Sorry about that. I knew there was something I missed. I’ll correct those schedules later today (it changes UCLA’s schedule as well, but everyone still gets the 4/5/4/5 or 5/4/5/4 home league schedule).
So I didn't get around to uploading the new jpg yesterday
But if I don’t, here’s the California pods schedules:
2012 & 2014 -
Cal: Stanford, UCLA, @USC
Stanford: @Cal, @UCLA, USC
UCLA: USC, @Cal, Stanford
USC: @UCLA, Cal, @Stanford
2013 & 2015 -
Cal: @Stanford, @UCLA, USC
Stanford: Cal, UCLA, @USC
UCLA: @USC, Cal, @Stanford
USC: UCLA, @Cal, Stanford
Same Thing
with TxTech visiting Norman every year. Any Tech fan will tell you that condition alone will make us happy to take a C-USA deal.
And for Tech
2012 & 2014 –
OSU: @OU, @Tech, UT
OU: OSU, Tech, @UT
Tech: @UT, OSU, @OU
UT: Tech, @OSU, OU
2013 & 2015 -
OSU: OU, Tech, @UT
OU: @OSU, @Tech, UT
Tech: UT, @OSU, OU
UT: @Tech, OSU, @OU
One thing that i dont think happens
Is (for example WSU) switching usc and UCLA every year. We don’t even do that now. Id guess for a home and away with one then a home and away with the other.
or suffer the consequences
by Coug999 on Sep 19, 2011 11:09 AM PDT via mobile reply actions
The only reason I did that
Was to create a better sense of “conference affiliation” between the Western schools. It happens to every school in this model. You only miss a conference mate once every two years as opposed to two years in a row for the Eastern schools.
The consecutive home/away games for a given team is reserved for the cross-conference foes.
I lile the idea of it.
But for the simple reason of keeping schedules less confusing I don’t think it would happen.
or suffer the consequences
by Coug999 on Sep 19, 2011 11:43 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
No conference for old men
I’m cross-posting this here and on Building the Dam, to be twice as curmudgeony:
A "Pacific" conference with four schools from Texas and Oklahoma is oxymoronic. Slice, dice, and podulize it any way you want on the drawing boards, it’s still going to be a travesty in real life. In discarding the long-term rivalries and the common geographic, historic, and social ties of Pacific schools and their fans, and replacing them with artificially concocted combinations of teams from disparate regions yoked together primarily to achieve optimized revenue streams, the Pac-16 risks alienating alums and other fans who just might find something better to do with their free time than traveling to Lubbock for a game, or even bothering to pony up the cash to watch it on the conference cable network.
You did a fine job, RedOscar, of illustrating the scheduling complexities of a 16-team, 4-pod "Pac" conference, and Sahr, on BTD, took on the additional complications of playoffs. If such matters were the only considerations…
I believe Scott has said if the league went to 16 teams last year the name would have changed.
While I don’t remember were I heard/saw this quote though
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by Neil Vincent Roberts on Sep 20, 2011 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions
It's not the name...
It’s the traditional regional rivalries and relationships among schools and fans in the conference that I’m concerned about. IMHO, adding four schools from Oklahoma and Texas doesn’t enhance the Pacific conference, it blows up the conference. Call the new monstrosity whatever you want. How about the Frankenstein Conference?
by fanoverboard on Sep 20, 2011 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions
I like it
You go 3 vs your own pod plus half of each other pod (home pod +½pod + ½pod +½pod) = 9 games
just one question:
the fact that you dont have TxTech completing the home and away with two ½pods (Calif Pod and NWest pod) in the first 2yrs but taking 4yrs to complete the asu & cu half of the 4Corners pod puzzles me. (I noticed every team has this scheduling variation) Is this by design or can you have every team complete its ½ Pod rotation in two years.
We had an even more extreme version of this in the BigXII-2. In which a team would go home and away x2 vs half of the other division. This meant you didnt get to see the other half of the opposing division until after FOUR years….I hated that. That meant Tech not getting to beat up on Nebraska for a long time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBVbFtz125Q&list=FLy9A2hpSZ1Qt0rSki-YOfCw&index=16
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by Tortilla Pirate on Sep 20, 2011 10:40 AM PDT reply actions
It was to differentiate who was a conference rival and who was in the opposing conference
It makes sense that you see your conference opponents on a more consistent basis than non-conference opponents. Since you can’t visit all seven teams in your conference in the same season, you alternate the teams in the opposing division every other year.
That way you see your conference opponents at least every other year (makes it easier to determine who actually is the best in the conference) and go two-on/two-off with the non-conference teams. In the end you see your conference opponents in the opposite division as often as the teams in the opposing conference, but you just see them with a little more consistent regularity.
But no one wants us so I think we are revising our plans. Good luck with that schedule.
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by dimecoverage on Sep 20, 2011 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Apparently...
I was treating each POD as completely independent. That is not the case. I get it. thanks
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by Tortilla Pirate on Sep 20, 2011 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions
Never Mind
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by Tortilla Pirate on Sep 21, 2011 12:54 PM PDT reply actions
This was another idea someone came up with on CGB involving a 4 team tourney at the end of the season.
http://www.californiagoldenblogs.com/2011/9/19/2435396/my-pac-16-4-pod-solution-marketing-bonanza
Essentially, you would put the 4 pod winners in a “semi-final” match during the last game of the season, and the winners would go to the CCG. Instead of having two divisions, there would be only the 4 pods, which you would play all teams, so this might be a loophole to the whole NCAA rule about round-robin in a division thing. I’m sure there are a whole bunch of logistical issues, but it seemed interesting, and like the article title says, it would be a marketing bonanza.

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